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Returning A Story To The Edit Queue Bugs
By jeffy124 , Section Code []
Posted on Sun Sep 08, 2002 at 12:00:00 PM PST
On April 18, Rusty added a long-awaited Edit Queue to Scoop, the code that operates our beloved Kuro5hin.org. The basic purposes of this was to provide two hours in which the author of an article can receive editorial feedback (eg, you misspelled this word, this is sentence is unclear, etc.), without having votes to worry about until the article looked perfect in the eyes of the author.

After the optional two hours (or shorter if the author chooses), the story would move into the traditional Moderation Queue where voting would take place. Once a story is up for voting, edits by the author cannot be made. Or so we thought.....

Scoop developers, especially Rusty, to warn you now, you may require of yourselves brown paper bags while reading and dealing with this article.

In general, the purpose of prohibiting edits to be made after a story had been submitted for voting is straight-forward and obvious: To prevent a user that chooses to be an asshole from making a last-minute overhaul to an article before the story gets accepted and posted. There is a technique (or exploit, for those who prefer 1337-speak) available through which a author may do this.

It is quite simple -- When an article is up for voting, the author may cancel their submission at any time during the voting period. A confirmation checkbox is situated next to the Cancel button to protect against accidentally clicking the button. Here's the interesting part: Leaving this checkbox empty and clicking Cancel returns the author to the submission page as if they clicked an Edit button.

What can then be done: When the author returns to the Edit page, he/she may place an article back into the Edit Queue and/or make changes to their article. Upon the story being returned to the vote, all previous votes remain as they were previously stated.

Rusty & Co., you've got yourselves some work to do.

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Returning A Story To The Edit Queue | 19 comments (19 topical, 0 hidden)
What amazes me (5.00 / 1) (#1)
by BAH on Mon Sep 09, 2002 at 07:33:39 AM PST

Is that no one found this little bug sooner.  The edit feature has been in use for almost five months now.



FYI (5.00 / 1) (#5)
by theantix on Mon Sep 09, 2002 at 11:31:13 AM PST

This bug is *fixed* in scoop, as far as I know, and has been for months. It's a bug in K5's old version of scoop, not in the stable 0.81 or 0.9 scoop. If I'm wrong about that let me know, because so far as I know it's working now. And if you're looking for someone to blame, blame me because I wrote the darn thing broken in in the first place.



Oops: (none / 0) (#8)
by Vladinator on Mon Sep 09, 2002 at 02:53:42 PM PST

Sorry, here it is as a link: Message for you.

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Are you a drama major? (none / 0) (#11)
by panner on Tue Sep 10, 2002 at 06:17:30 PM PST

We appreciate bug reports, always. But when we get them, it's always nice to be able to read it and understand the bug. And, while it may not usually seem that way, the developers are familiar with the project's history.

Everyone here that could possibly care about a bug already knows what the edit queue is, when it came into being, how it works, and who wrote it. There is no need to dedicate most of your bug report to what amounts to a history lesson for historians.

Amongst all this, it was difficult to even find the purpose. I had to read it twice just to realize it was a bug report for the edit queue. Even then, you don't specify what version of Scoop this affects, nor are there clear steps to reproduce. I assume you mean whatever version is currently on K5, since you mention it.

The biggest problem I see with this, however, is the air of smugness spread throughout it. As I read it, I got a feeling that you were trying to say, "Look at this bug I found. You're all idiots! I spit at your feet!" I, personally, don't appreciate that, and I'm sure the other developers don't. We're all volunteers here, and we put a lot of effort into Scoop because we like the project, and we would like to see it improve and succeed. But there's only so much time that we can put into it.

Of course, all of that really doesn't matter, because the bug report hidden somewhere in this story is for a bug that was fixed a month ago. theantix, who single-handedly wrote the edit queue code, submitted a patch for it to address a few problems, and to add some things. I noticed the bug, and let him know about it. He promptly fixed it, checked it out, and sent me a fresh patch. And I'm sure that he hit himself in the head for it enough that no one needs to help.

In the future, if you find a bug, we'd love to hear about it. We'd like nothing better than to squash all the bugs in Scoop. However, when you (or anyone else!) submit a bug report, try to do completely different than how it was done here.



--
Keith Smiley



Agreed, but! (none / 0) (#12)
by Mystic on Wed Sep 11, 2002 at 05:32:26 PM PST

I agree to the comments that jeffy124 should have given rusty and crew time to fix the bug (a bug that was already fixed mind you). However, as hurstdog pointed out, it is a security flaw, that was know for some time. Now, what was a security bug doing in a full production website like K5 even after it was patched in the code?

jeffy124 is chastised for being hurried in his submission and I agree, but in the same breath, what was the K5 crew waiting for, the shit to hit the fan? Postponing the patch application for a security bug until some one exploits it or the hardware is ready (which ever comes first) is not the ideal way to deal with such situations.

What if jeffy124 had emailed help@k5? They would have informed him that it is a know bug, and it has been patched in the CVS code, but will only be applied to K5 after the hardware upgrade. The next moment K5 user l33t_h4ck3r may stumble on the bug and exploit it. Ahhh.. now the shit has hit the fan. Run for cover, patch the bug up. Sound so much like what I have heard about M$'s handling of security bugs!



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