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Multidimensional Mojo Feature Requests
By NFW , Section Wishlist []
Posted on Fri Jun 07, 2002 at 12:00:00 PM PST
Mojo is a fine tool for discouraging and defending against trolls and the like. But what if the community wants to simultaneously defend against a bad comment (hide it from view) but at the same time encourage the writer to stick around and keep trying?

I'm going to set up a web community for radio controlled helicopter enthusiasts, and I'm probably going to use Scoop. Existing RC heli message boards suffer from two distinct types of problem users. First, there are trolls and crapflooders just like every other internet community. Second, there are people who mean well, but don't know what they're talking about. The clueless are not unique to the RC heli community of course, but they present a different kind of problem in this context.

First, this is a domain where (unlike political and cultural discussion sites) people come primarily to ask technical questions and gather technical knowledge. Some questions have answers that are actually wrong, not just different opinions. Well-intentioned but wrong answers are just as big a problem as malicious trolling and crapflooding. Well-intentioned wrong answers that seem intuitively correct are even worse.

Second, the community does not want to discourage newbies in the way that it discourages trolls and crapflooders. Modding down and hiding someone's post will hopefully discourage trolling, but with a novice the desired response to bad advice would be to flag or hide the error, but also thank the user for at least trying to be helpful. Unlike trolls, we (the rest of the community) don't want clueless newbies to go away. Generally speaking, a user with a desire to help can and will eventually turn into a valued community member.

So, for the site I'm cooking up, I'd like to see comments accompanied by two rating options, one for accuracy and one for attitude. Accuracy: is the information in the comment actually going to help the person with the question? Attitude: is the comment just a troll, or is it an honest attempt to help?

The accuracy rating would be visible to all users, but adjustable only by users who have reached trusted status in the accuracy dimension. The attitude rating would be visible and editable by all users, perhaps with an extra zero option for users with sufficient attitude mojo.

If either option falls below some threshold, the comment is hidden. This provides a way for the community to deal harshly with bad advice, while still rewarding users for attempting to help.

There may be other situations in which multidimensional mojo would be useful, so the dimension names should probably not be hard coded - an artwork site might want 'aesthetic value' and 'family-friendliness' for example.

The same effects can be had with one-dimensional mojo and replies to explain why a comment was scored lower, but I would prefer to address the problem with numbers, not words. The goal is to keep the signal-to-noise ratio high, and such metadiscussion is noise; worse yet, it's a common source of flame wars and pissing matches that degrade the S/N even further.

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Multidimensional Mojo?
· Dumb. One is enough, period. 0%
· Nice idea, but not feasible without a major rewrite. 50%
· Reasonable and practical. 50%

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Multidimensional Mojo | 6 comments (6 topical, 0 hidden)
Different Dimensions (none / 0) (#1)
by The Trinidad Kid on Fri Jun 07, 2002 at 02:55:07 AM PST

I've through of different mojo dimensions as well.

The stuff I was thinking of was ratings and likings.

The ratings (as per now) indicate what you think of the quality of the content and the likings would be what how much you liked the contents.

This would allow you to 'disagree' with 'technically good' comments. What you would use the likings ratings for would be to build a web of reputation.

  • comments by people you liked would be highlighted
  • The people you 'liked' would be listed under a propogating algorithm. If I only liked 3 people, but they all liked a 4th, that person might be my 'most liked'
  • the influence of liking would drop by 75% (or some other figure) at each remove
The key, I think, is that different 'ratings' need to be associated with different navigational systems and have radically different alogrithms behind them to generate new and different organisation of the stories.


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