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Interesting article attack strategy
By Mararet Thatcher , Section New Scoop Sites [] Posted on Mon Apr 29, 2002 at 12:00:00 PM PST

On Kuro5hin, user Lonesome Cowboy Ernie takes credit for causing user Lonesome Cowboy Burt's story On Catholicism part IV to tank.

If Lonesome Cowboy Ernie's comment is to be believed, Ernie crapflooded Burt's story. The resulting hail of 0 rated rated comments caused Burt's story to be wiped from the queue after the thirty-six hour holding period.
If that isn't a clever abuse of the system, I'm not certain what is. I'm not going to clamor for an instant fix, but this ought to cause some thought for the next time the queue is reworked.

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Not very clever (5.00 / 2) (#1)
by hurstdog on Mon Apr 29, 2002 at 08:35:43 PM PST

We knew it was possible. What can we do other than delete the comments though? We don't have the time to go through and find all of these accounts and delete them... personally I just wish they would take it somewhere else.

-hurstdog

anonymize them. by Vladinator, 04/30/2002 10:28:19 AM PST (none / 0)

We don't have the time by hurstdog, 04/30/2002 01:55:59 PM PST (5.00 / 1)

Don't do it that way by Vladinator, 05/01/2002 11:05:14 AM PST (none / 0)

anonymous proxies by hurstdog, 05/01/2002 11:26:41 AM PST (5.00 / 1)

Tricky problem by Mararet Thatcher, 05/01/2002 09:50:30 AM PST (5.00 / 1)

What should happen... (5.00 / 2) (#4)
by dram on Tue Apr 30, 2002 at 04:12:37 PM PST

Is that we should make it so you can only post editoral comments when a story is in the queue, not topical ones. Then we should disallow comment ratings on editorial comments. At least that's what I think.

-dram
[Ingenuitas.org]

Discussion Quality (5.00 / 3) (#5)
by The Trinidad Kid on Wed May 01, 2002 at 06:49:23 AM PST

If a story hangs around on the queue a decision is taken on the basis of the quality of the discussion as to whether it is posted or dumped.

Hidden comments are not part of the discussion - they are hidden - they shouldn't count toward the quality metric...

Lonesome Cowboy Ernie used rubbish comments to reduce the quality of the discussion - he also used wildly offensive (hidden) posts like this:

Wherever Vlad treads, anal faggotry abounds.

I wrote a song about it.

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The major problem is not crap flooding the discussion (comments rated over 1) it is using abuse to get other people to act as an amplifier to his crap flooding. If the hidden comments didn't count then the technique is much less effective...

The ratings of Lonesome Cowboy Ernie's comments on that story are:
0/13
0.78/32
0.66/21
0/17
0.2/25
0.04/23
0.11/26
0.67/31

Turn off the amplifier it gets to be a lot harder work for the crapflooder...

Scottish Political Discussion

What this is, is a counterexample by Mysidia, 05/04/2002 05:15:07 PM PST (5.00 / 1)

Uh! (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by Mystic on Thu May 02, 2002 at 05:46:35 PM PST

Maybe I have been out of sync with scoop and the algo being used, hence this question. Do you take into account the rating of hidden comments when deciding the fate of a story that has been in the queue for a long time? That doesn't sound like a logical thing to do!

-(\/)ystic

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