Scoop -- the swiss army chainsaw of content management
Front Page · Everything · News · Code · Help! · Wishlist · Project · Scoop Sites · Dev Notes · Latest CVS changes · Development Activities
Newer comments and mojo calculation Feature Requests
By loner , Section Wishlist []
Posted on Mon Dec 11, 2000 at 12:00:00 PM PST
A couple of times in K5 I've noticed that after posting a controversial comment, my trusted user status is repeatedly removed then restored within short periods of time, as the comment's rating yo-yos between 1 and 5.

Possible fix: don't count the ratings for the current day's comment when calculating the mojo. Only count comments that are at least one day old, giving the scores time to settle a bit before they can affect one's trusted status.

This happened to me at least twice: I posted a controversial comment that was scored as 2 at first. This made my mojo drop below the threshold of trusted users. Then the comment was re-rated to 4,and I gained my trusted user back, and from there it would oscillate between 2 and 4, converging on 3, as readers either agreed or disagreed with the contents. And my trusted user status would oscillate with the score.

This can be fixed if newer comments are not included in the mojo calculation until they're at least one day old. By then, one would hope that the score has stabilized enough. The problem is when to calculate the user's mojo? I think we can do it simply when the user logs in. And since the user has to relogin when the session cookie expires (right?) this'll happen regularly enough.

This should also remove some of the load on the server. Right now I believe the user's mojo is recalculated every time somebody submits a rating for one of the user's comments. What do you all think?

< Show number of votes on a comment | Plain Text Comment Bug >

Menu
· create account
· faq
· search
· report bugs
· Scoop Administrators Guide
· Scoop Box Exchange

Login
Make a new account
Username:
Password:

Related Links
· More on Feature Requests
· Also by loner

Story Views
  19 Scoop users have viewed this story.

Display: Sort:
Newer comments and mojo calculation | 6 comments (6 topical, 0 hidden)
This is why the mod system needs to change (3.00 / 4) (#1)
by enterfornone on Mon Dec 11, 2000 at 10:17:19 PM PST

Because the numbers used for moderation are essentially meaningless, many use it as a vote as to whether or not they agree with the story. This is not how the system was intended to be used.

Your idea is good, but it is a workaround to a flawed system when it is the system itself that needs to change.

A better solution would be a Slashdot like description based system rather than just a number. This will make it obvious what the mod system is being used for.



Mojo and moderation (4.00 / 3) (#4)
by kmself on Tue Dec 12, 2000 at 11:55:34 PM PST

As the guy who had a lot of input into both systems, here's the scoop.

Moderation works reasonably well. There needs to be (IMO) more of it, but of high quality, so I'm looking for ways to encourage (or reward) people for making generally quality moderations. What's a quality moderation? Good question. Some ideas:

  • One which helps establish the status of a post. Early moderations or moderation to posts which have few or no moderations count a lot.
  • Moderation patterns which tend to agree, within reason, with the group consensus. Someone who's consistantly an outlier moderator probably isn't feeding much signal to the system.
  • Moderation patterns which don't slavishly follow group trends. Moderation works best by increasing differentiation between comments (preferably in a meaningful way). A moderate devation from the norm is quite healthy.
  • Patterns which aren't pedantically consistant. The guy who mods all 1s or all 5s isn't adding much to the system.

This is just off the top of my head, and I'm open to suggestions.

Moderation provides a metric. The other side of the stick is filtering tools, and Scoop doesn't have these yet. Reporting n and standard deviation will be most helpful, as will the ability to specify inclusion or exclusion criteria. This means that someone could request display of all comments moderated as: ( mean > 3 || std > 1.5 || n < 4 ) -- or all comments moderated above 3, or with a standard deviation greater than 1.5, or with fewer than four moderations, allowing perusal and input on less-moderated posts. I'd very much like to have such complex rules available.

The Mojo system also needs some work. Comment moderation is one metric, but there should be others. My current model is something similar to a credit rating -- Scoop is essentialy gathering all sorts of behavioral statistics on you -- when you started using the system, how often you access it, whether or not you post comments and/or stories, and how often, whether you post diary entries, how your contributions (stories and comments) are moderated, how your moderation compares with others. And some escapes -- I'd like to allow some administrative overrides for people who have: just recently joined, haven't posted comments, haven't been moderated highly, etc. The point being that by specifically allowing such admin overrides, it's clear whether or not a given user has earned their status or been granted it (at least to site admins). This has been an issue at Slashdot, by reports.

Mojo is supposed to be responsive to recent activity, but I think it's too hair-trigger. Still hasn't identified any non-trusted users, AFAIK. I'd like to see a longer run-out on comments, and a basis on total moderation, not average comment moderation for use in computing mojo -- it's too sensitive to singly-moderated comments at this point.

I'd also like to see some personalization -- ability to mark specific users as hot or not. Best suggestion I saw was to be able to specify a sort of per-user bonus score -- your own bias on a user would be to increase or decrease their perceived posting score by some amount. This could also be tied into a mojo system.

Finally, the submission queue is....overly simplistic for what it's supposed to be doing. There should be multiple tracks. I'd like to shut down topical posts. Probably require an editorial comment to make an up/down vote. Shorten the voting cycle. Provide for edits, timeouts, resubmits, and the like.



Nice post (none / 0) (#6)
by marcosanchez on Fri May 18, 2018 at 09:51:01 PM PST

I like it very much. Hope to read more posts from you.- hide online



Newer comments and mojo calculation | 6 comments (6 topical, 0 hidden)
Display: Sort:

Hosted by ScoopHost.com Powered by Scoop
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective companies. Comments are owned by the Poster. The Rest © 1999 The Management

create account | faq | search